MPPT input voltage comparison

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MPPT input voltage comparison

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I know, I know :roll:
But bear with me.
I am posting here AND ONLY HERE for all the right reasons. Those of us who float about multiple forums are here as well, hopefully most of the riff-raff isnt.
I did a little experiment the other day and thought I would share it.
In the long-term process of increasing solar panels, wiring needs to be heavier, controllers changed, etc, etc, its a fairly large task resulting in an increase from 900w to around 2300w input. Doing it in stages. we will soon be ditching the 2 x 30A Tracer MPPT controllers (too small) and going down the Dingo route.
The Tracers were each configured with strings of 3 panels to 450w in series, input around 56V.
As a fun afternoons play, muggins here decided to swap 1 string to parrallel.
So now we have a mirror image of solar panels on the same bus roof with the same length set of wires, same controllers, etc, running into the same 12v battery (but sensed at each end of the battery to limit argument between the controllers, an issue fixed some time back.) in the same sunshine or shade, whichever the case.
Now 1x MPPT Tracer has 56v going into it and the other has 18v. To be fair, the wiring for the 18v option would be considered marginal in sq. area.

Guess which string gives more amps (consistantly, at least an amp more into the battery at any given time)

:o :o NOT the higher voltage series one!!! :o :shock:
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MPPT input voltage comparison

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and typical readings, the string/controller using parallel is on the left
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Re: MPPT vs PWM

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Do you have a clamp meter that can read DC amps? If you do, measure the current on the battery side of each controller, Does it match what the meter shows?
Next, on the controller you have the solar cabling paralleled, take the solar wires and connect it direct to the battery wire, positive to positive and negative to negative and take another reading, is it higher than the reading when it was passing through the controller? You can't leave it like this of course because there is nothing to limit the battery voltage, but the readings would be interesting.

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You should put that up on caravaners and a few others. Make sure you have a very big bag of popcorn..
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Re: MPPT vs PWM

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dapope wrote:You should put that up on caravaners and a few others. Make sure you have a very big bag of popcorn..
Yeah it'd be because of the prevailing wind offering cooling which is favouring the PWM panels or some other fairytale.

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OK here is an update.
Checked amperages per T1 request using Uni-T clamp meter. Read slightly more than the controllers screens on both (about 0.5A) so maybe need to buy a fluke or maybe not. :D But basically the same readings as shown. Didn't do the direct couple thing, perhaps another day.
High teens, blue sky. The Tracer units are perhaps 5 years old, I have no reason to suspect they are not MPPT. Or vice a versa ;)

Note 1 is the controllers used to pretty much follow the same output as each other when both in series, perhaps an amp here or there but not specific to either one.
Note 2 the BMV700 agrees with the aggregate amperage going into the battery.

I expect its just some Tracer algorithm that suggests the controller maximise amps from the weakest source?
But certainly the data goes against what we have been told by the general manufacturers..........
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Wayne,

what model Tracer?

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They look like this one JD ;)
Not sure of the exact number though
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I can't easily find it on their website.

http://www.epsolarpv.com/en/index.php

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