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[Riverlander]

Sadly, around 50% of people undergoing chemo end up having major organ damage caused by the chemo and around 25%, die from the chemo and not the disease. Hope you do better than that Ray.

My niece had what was thought to be terminal cancer back in 1973 and was one of the very first to have the new chemo treatment. She is now in her mid 60,s with heart problems from the treatment but married with children and grandchildren so I suppose a bit of heart trouble is worth putting up with and getting a full life in return.

[homeless]

We all take our own path, and live with it. I was given max of 8 months with no treatment or 2 years if I did the works.
Specialist could not tell me how his treatment and my MG would go so decided to just carry on as normal Got some drugs and uped my naughty oil anf all my counts are dropping to nearly acceptable.
Each time the specialist rings he starts with " I did not think I would still be talikg to you now". Still does not believe the oil would be helping but then says to continue as I am as most of his patients he saw about the same time he first saw me are dead.
I think if you take the path that seems the best for you the better chance you have.
Plus I have not had time to clean the boat to Margs requirements so just have to keep living.

[native pepper]

Real medical facts aren't bad news Jon, they are there so people are informed and can make the right decisions. When it comes to good health and those facts are available, just like smokers, only fools continue with doing what is harming them. Sensible people do their own research when it involves their health, because according to the statistics, health isn't improving but getting worse, especially for many younger people and that's because of their diet.

People around my age, had the benefit of starting life on real food, no chemicals, additives or saturated with diary products, sugars and salts. The only take away was the fish and chip shop and that was good take away and maybe once a week. Today processed foods are what everyone eats, so they have problems and as the medical profession never approaches health from a preventative aspect, or even remedial aspect, there's lots of side effects from that pharmacological approach.

As someone who survived cancer back when 26, had the bottom right lobe of lung removed and put on chemo and radiation torture, the only thing that saved me was diet as i couldn't stand what the medical treatment was doing to me. That was because was lucky enough to run into someone who had a clue about what's good food and what's bad and at that stage I was into the trendy new junk food approach in my ignorance.

Sadly have watched lots of my friends die from bad health and a few who have survived when they decided to investigate what I've said to them about how I got through it and changed their life approach, so are still here. One of my closed very long term friends a heavy smoker and 10 years younger than me, developed emphysema and it debilitated him, with his health and abilities fast going downhill. Over the last few years have never said anything to him about his diet and life approach, like most in my life he laughed at me and tried to make out I was being negative towards peoples health. But about 3 years ago my friend said when he looks at me and what I went through and how fit and healthy I am for a 79 year old, did I think my approach would help him.

So sat down and explained how I saw diet and how it related to our health condition and that was it. Got a text from him a few weeks later after his wife's funeral who died of cancer, emphysema and heart disease. Her demise was not a good look drugged to the eyeballs and in severe pain and she was a lovely lady. He said to send him a dietary approach so he could try it out, instead went and spent a couple of weeks with him helping him change, along with recommending he get himself and oxygen generator. Never once said anything about the drugs he was taking.

After about 18 months, dropped in to see him and he had improved heaps, no longer struggling to breath and unable to walk more than a few metres without having to stop and rest. He has a long way to go, but his approach is very simple, he removed all the things from his diet that could be stopping his body from trying to rejuvenate and repair as much of the damage caused. That's had a profound effect on his health by eating a diet rich in the natural foods that provide our bodies with the right ingredients to fight illness and disease. It's not a cure all and some conditions are to far gone to be able to help and that's when the medical professions approach can help ease the pain.

Talking about a good health approach to life isn't negative Jon, it's positive. Negativity is ignoring the real logical science and the rational approach to health, but everyone has the right to approach their lives as they wish. I prefer to limit my pain and suffering and to have an active healthy life, what others do is their business and I'm in an extremely tiny number of people who take this approach.

All I'm doing here is pointing out some real facts and not the propaganda put forward by the medical profession and pharmaceutical companies. Speaking the verifiable truth is not negative Jon and if you care for others you try to inform them of how they can help themselves and there's no one can fix them, just cover the symptoms, cut it out and drug them so their suffering is tolerable, but in the end even the opioids don't work and contributes to their demise and that's called palliative care. It's a horrible thing to watch and have seen lots of it over the years. But that's life and happy to keep my mouth shut and say nothing, not my problem if others don't want to know the truth and prefer to leave their lives in the hands of those whose approach just doesn't work. The only thing that fixes our health problems is our own bodies and we can either help it do that, or leave it to the medical and pharmaceutical profit growth professions. I prefer tot ask take responsibility for my life, not leave it to others. There's a a great need for the medical profession, especially in traumatic medicine and they have been claiming a cure for cancer coming next year for as long as I can remember and yet nothing. The claim of curing people relates to their idea if you are still alive around 5 years after diagnosis, it's a success. But you have to remove the causes, not just cover the symptoms. Once you remove the causes, your body has the chance to repair itself to a degree and that degree is determined by what you put into your body and do with it.

The science is now claiming seed oils are contributing to the cancer rates ad seed oils if what people cook in and every take away and restaurant uses. You don't have to believe me, just do a bit of research and you find the truth is all there to be found and it all make common sense. You don't put oil in your radiator or water in the sump, or try to run a diesel engine on petrol, why do that with your body.

I'm off for a surf before the wind gets to strong, won't say another word about diet and health. Seems logical rational approaches aren't appreciated by just about everyone, but that's life.

[T1 Terry]

Real medical facts aren't bad news Jon, they are there so people are informed and can make the right decisions. When it comes to good health and those facts are available, just like smokers, only fools continue with doing what is harming them. Sensible people do their own research when it involves their health, because according to the statistics, health isn't improving but getting worse, especially for many younger people and that's because of their diet.

People around my age, had the benefit of starting life on real food, no chemicals, additives or saturated with diary products, sugars and salts. The only take away was the fish and chip shop and that was good take away and maybe once a week. Today processed foods are what everyone eats, so they have problems and as the medical profession never approaches health from a preventative aspect, or even remedial aspect, there's lots of side effects from that pharmacological approach.

As someone who survived cancer back when 26, had the bottom right lobe of lung removed and put on chemo and radiation torture, the only thing that saved me was diet as i couldn't stand what the medical treatment was doing to me. That was because was lucky enough to run into someone who had a clue about what's good food and what's bad and at that stage I was into the trendy new junk food approach in my ignorance.

Sadly have watched lots of my friends die from bad health and a few who have survived when they decided to investigate what I've said to them about how I got through it and changed their life approach, so are still here. One of my closed very long term friends a heavy smoker and 10 years younger than me, developed emphysema and it debilitated him, with his health and abilities fast going downhill. Over the last few years have never said anything to him about his diet and life approach, like most in my life he laughed at me and tried to make out I was being negative towards peoples health. But about 3 years ago my friend said when he looks at me and what I went through and how fit and healthy I am for a 79 year old, did I think my approach would help him.

So sat down and explained how I saw diet and how it related to our health condition and that was it. Got a text from him a few weeks later after his wife's funeral who died of cancer, emphysema and heart disease. Her demise was not a good look drugged to the eyeballs and in severe pain and she was a lovely lady. He said to send him a dietary approach so he could try it out, instead went and spent a couple of weeks with him helping him change, along with recommending he get himself and oxygen generator. Never once said anything about the drugs he was taking.

After about 18 months, dropped in to see him and he had improved heaps, no longer struggling to breath and unable to walk more than a few metres without having to stop and rest. He has a long way to go, but his approach is very simple, he removed all the things from his diet that could be stopping his body from trying to rejuvenate and repair as much of the damage caused. That's had a profound effect on his health by eating a diet rich in the natural foods that provide our bodies with the right ingredients to fight illness and disease. It's not a cure all and some conditions are to far gone to be able to help and that's when the medical professions approach can help ease the pain.

Talking about a good health approach to life isn't negative Jon, it's positive. Negativity is ignoring the real logical science and the rational approach to health, but everyone has the right to approach their lives as they wish. I prefer to limit my pain and suffering and to have an active healthy life, what others do is their business and I'm in an extremely tiny number of people who take this approach.

All I'm doing here is pointing out some real facts and not the propaganda put forward by the medical profession and pharmaceutical companies. Speaking the verifiable truth is not negative Jon and if you care for others you try to inform them of how they can help themselves and there's no one can fix them, just cover the symptoms, cut it out and drug them so their suffering is tolerable, but in the end even the opioids don't work and contributes to their demise and that's called palliative care. It's a horrible thing to watch and have seen lots of it over the years. But that's life and happy to keep my mouth shut and say nothing, not my problem if others don't want to know the truth and prefer to leave their lives in the hands of those whose approach just doesn't work. The only thing that fixes our health problems is our own bodies and we can either help it do that, or leave it to the medical and pharmaceutical profit growth professions. I prefer tot ask take responsibility for my life, not leave it to others. There's a a great need for the medical profession, especially in traumatic medicine and they have been claiming a cure for cancer coming next year for as long as I can remember and yet nothing. The claim of curing people relates to their idea if you are still alive around 5 years after diagnosis, it's a success. But you have to remove the causes, not just cover the symptoms. Once you remove the causes, your body has the chance to repair itself to a degree and that degree is determined by what you put into your body and do with it.

The science is now claiming seed oils are contributing to the cancer rates ad seed oils if what people cook in and every take away and restaurant uses. You don't have to believe me, just do a bit of research and you find the truth is all there to be found and it all make common sense. You don't put oil in your radiator or water in the sump, or try to run a diesel engine on petrol, why do that with your body.

I'm off for a surf before the wind gets to strong, won't say another word about diet and health. Seems logical rational approaches aren't appreciated by just about everyone, but that's life.

Be careful researching your facts NP, the Google verse is full of mis information to do right B/S, and the search algorithms will drag you down a rabbit hole of B/S unless you very carefully write your queries to be non bias


From a non bias Google search

No, there's no evidence that eating seed oils in moderation increases the risk of cancer. In fact, seed oils are a good source of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, which can help lower bad cholesterol and reduce the risk of heart disease.

Explanation:

Scientific evidence
The World Cancer Research Fund and other experts say that there's no evidence that seed oils increase the risk of cancer.
Omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids
These healthy fats are essential nutrients that can help lower bad cholesterol and reduce the risk of heart disease.

Processing methods

Refined seed oils can go through processing methods that introduce potential carcinogens. However, cooking with seed oils at home isn't an issue.

Cooking techniques

Repeatedly heating unsaturated fats to high temperatures can be a health concern.

Other considerations

The relationship between cooking oils and cancer involves many variables, including cooking techniques, oil choices, and genetic predispositions.
Eating a healthy diet that's high in antioxidants, fiber, and healthy unsaturated fatty acids can help reduce the risk of inflammation, heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.

T1 Terry

[jon_d]

NP, you missed my point.

Why continue to flog your opinion on us. Sure say it once, but over and over just sound like a reformed smoker.

And worse, doing it on Ray's thread about his health and his decisions is, in my opinion, just rude and insensitive.

[native pepper]

Terry, I don't use google, have nothing of google in any of my computers or phones, use linux. As you googled your info, don't you think you may have been subject to the whims of google algorithms and sent to information that won't disturb the medical profit growth system and not the reality. That reality is even in your quoted post at the end, although they have watered it down lots. If you use non proprietary systems and open source browsers which have no ulterior motives, like keeping the status quo safe from reality, then you get real verifiable information from actual research documents the majority never see. The state of human health and the growing deaths of younger generations from cancers and heart disease is beginning to alarm the authorities, now everyone can dismiss it but that won't change the facts.

Jon, I got your point, which was an attempt to belittle and insult me because of my approach to life, something I wouldn't do to those unknowing of the truth regarding health and diet, or others.

As for a preaching reformed smoker (which I'm not), that's an insult to those who have the brains to realise what the highly addictive drug does to them and have never heard a reformed smoker say anything to smokers. Like any sensible person they just get out of the way of the dangerous passive smoke and obnoxious smell emitting from the drug addicts.

Have never previously said anything regarding chemo other than underwent it back in the 1970's and it nearly killed me, as it has done to many. My comments were intended to alert others to what chemo really does, mostly over the long term and as for Ray, he's at an age where it won't make much difference 20-30 years down the track. Most here understand that fact and one must take whatever means they can to alleviate their pain and suffering, if it actually works.

Preachers are those who deal in fantasy land beliefs and have to spread their delusions to others so they have support for their insanity. Yet on this forum, it seems a number here persist in bragging about their medications constantly and their pain, but yet to hear from anyone here or elsewhere who have been cured by these pharmaceuticals, which by the way all have dangerous side effects, yet do nothing but try to cover the symptoms. How anyone gets a kick out of that is beyond me, yet nothing is said about that preaching even though it's fantasy.

What I talk about at times, is to inform others there's better ways which have proven results, backed by biological science that can actually work to improve health and provide a better lifestyle. It's irrelevant to me whether others take any notice, that's their business, but trying to belittle those who've survived cancer by using what's logical, rational and proven science, can only draw one conclusion, fear of reality so they have to lash out.

As I said in as previous post, won't be saying any more on the subject, it's clear others here have no interest in good health outcomes, preferring to stick with what is fast being seen as very detrimental to their health. If the junk saturated processed foods they consume doesn't have adverse effects on them, why do they have you take medication, have operations to fix the damage to their bodies, caused by what, other than diet. Simple as that and will leave it there for good.

[jon_d]

As I said in as previous post, won't be saying any more on the subject, it's clear others here have no interest in good health outcomes, 

In your opinion.

[Newcastle George]

Simple as that and will leave it there for good.

Thank goodness!

George

[Shirley]

Chemotherapy treatment has greatly improved since the 1970, radiation treatment too, I play bowls with at least 6 ladies at my club that have had breast cancer & so far are cancer free.
Many, many people wouldn’t still be here enjoying their lives without cancer treatment.
My opinion.

Diet is a problem, one only has to observe the amount of severely obese people in the community, I agree with native pepper many folk need to eat healthier.

[supersparky]

Chemotherapy treatment has greatly improved since the 1970, radiation treatment too, I play bowls with at least 6 ladies at my club that have had breast cancer & so far are cancer free.
Many, many people wouldn’t still be here enjoying their lives without cancer treatment.
My opinion.

Diet is a problem, one only has to observe the amount of severely obese people in the community, I agree with native pepper many folk need to eat healthier.

You are so right Shirley. Treatments have changed dramatically over the years.
Unfortunately so have our dietary habits. So many of us eat rubbish now on a semi regular basis. Most of us could do a bit better, if we made the effort.