WAS CRAPPY news NOW GOOD news Now Unknown News Re. Ray aka Greynomads thread

[T1 Terry]

I feel it was not NP's place to have a dietary rant on Ray's thread, everyone has a choice to live how they want to live as long as it harms no one else, that is what living in a free society is really about.

There are so many diet ideas out there these days, from carnivore to carb free, to the extremes like fruit only, vegetarian and vegan ..... can't they go on about it Each to their own, if it shortens your own life, so be it, if it lengthens your life, please don't make everyone else suffer hearing your theories as to why you feel have lived so long.

There are so many great things to talk about other than how we think others should live, is it possible to use that as a ground rule for making posts

T1 Terry

[Busman]

He will go quiet for a bit and eventually turn up here again as it seems to be one of the only forums with tolerant enough members to tolerate his extreme views.Seems well known in Tassie. Good riddance.

[Greynomad]

Re NP’s posts: TL, DR.
As far as chemotherapy goes, I spent 22 years on a series of experimental drug trials until my (then) oncologist found one which in three months reduced my cancer count from a near-fatal 32ppm to zero. Five years on that drug and I was declared in remission in 2016.
The bowel cancer discovered at Christmas 2023 is totally unrelated. As I have had only one chemo session so far (this week was postponed), we’re still finding out what works for me. The immunotherapy held the metastases at a near standstill, but couldn’t boost my immune system enough to knock them out — hence the switch to chemo.
Because SWMBO is an excellent cook, we enjoy a tasty and varied diet with plenty of healthy ingredients. (She even makes pizza from scratch, mixing the dough for the base!) We actually have regular vegan/vegetarian meals in that mix.
So I don’t feel I need NP’s lectures about diet.
In fact, 30 years ago (just after my myeloma diagnosis) SWMBO took me to a lecture by a Veterinarian who insisted that cancer could be cured by growing all your own vegetables — without using chemical spraying — and switching to a vegetarian diet!
My reaction: “I’m not eating rabbit food for the rest of my life!”
I’m still on a rich and varied carnivore diet (occasionally vegetarian) and still looking at the grass from the green side.
I’m satisfied with my life and diet. I see no reason to change.
At 77 I’ve passed my father’s 71, any more years I can enjoy I will consider to be a bonus.

Here endeth today’s lesson.

[Shirley]

Good lesson Ray certainly consuming a good healthy balanced diet I believe is important, I don’t care what other people eat & drink, we are all entitled to our opinions, best wishes for good results

[jon_d]

I learnt one of my many lessons in about 2019.

I'd line up with my trolley full of fresh fruit and vege's behind someone who had a trolley full of sweeties. I used to say to myself, there's a heart attack on the way.

Aug 2019 - 59 years old, 6 blockages 70-90%, urgent quad bypass. Only 73 kilos. Good food doesn't necessarily precipitate a healthy body. My surgeon more or less said you're one of the group that just have heart attacks early and drop dead. Luckily, mine was found prior.

[T1 Terry]

My father was a very heavy smoker, probably a by product of WW2. He died before his 41st birthday from split arteries from the heart to his lower body. My foster sister died at 18 from ovarian cancer. My sister died from surgery complication for a twisted bowel not quite reaching her 52nd birthday. My mother died at 68 from pneumonia but really from stuffed up routine bowel colonoscopy, she had undiagnosed diverticulitis at the time.

I turn 70 this yr, I most definitely haven't followed a good diet by any definition of the word, although, Margaret does cook great healthy meals. I know I'll die sometime, I do have my preferred way to die ... but that's another story

Diet and bad practices can certainly result in an early death, but diet is not the be all and end all of living, just part of it.

T1 Terry

[Shirley]

Jon, maybe you survived the heart attack because of your healthy food diet, who knows why do so many people get cancer today each to their own thoughts, I discovered that I had Celiac disease as a mature aged person after having a colonoscopy because I was loosing weight told immediately that very day after the procedure that I needed to change my diet to GF & appointment already booked to see dietitian at the hospital.

[T1 Terry]

Jon, maybe you survived the heart attack because of your healthy food diet, who knows why do so many people get cancer today each to their own thoughts, I discovered that I had Celiac disease as a mature aged person after having a colonoscopy because I was loosing weight told immediately that very day after the procedure that I needed to change my diet to GF & appointment already booked to see dietitian at the hospital.

They always got cancer, it's not a recent thing, just most were diagnosed at the way too late stage to do anything stage. My sister died as a result at only 18, that was some 60 yrs ago.
Once they learnt the symptoms, it was a death sentence, I lost a lit of good friends under 25 by the time I was 19, they knew they were going to die and prepared themselves, or took the short cut and finished it early.
Now it's advanced to the stage there are treatments that have better outcomes than the disease itself.
Much like consumption was a disease name given to something they really didn't know what the cause was and probably a lot of cancer deaths were given the same label. Once they discovered the killer disease was TB, they organised a screening test, I remember my mother and father going to a truck trailer set up as an Xray unit for TB screening, and they finally all but eradicated it in Australia and most 1st world countries, but it still is a major health problem.
When some diagnosed with consumption didn't respond to TB treatments, further studies found the umbrella diagnosis was hiding a lot of other killer diseases ..... the various cancers were one of those ....

So, cancer may seem like a modern disease, but it just didn't have its own tag early on, like lock jaw was the late stages of tetanus, now treatable and preventable, lockjaw is just a disease name known in westerns ......

T1 Terry

[BruceS]

Geees you're a cheerful bunch!!!
Ray has it been recheduled yet?

[Greynomad]

Yes, next Tuesday.
My platelet count was so low last week that my oncologist thought treatment would be too risky.
Blood test on Monday to determine if it goes ahead Tuesday.

Last week’s test showed the count was low, but on the way back up. Just not high enough.
For the moment, despite the hot weather, tonic water is off the menu. Quinine destroys platelets.
So it’s Bundaberg Ginger Beer… or maybe just delete the first two words.