Lithium facts in practice

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he charged his kona from that in 3 days
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Does that mean he could only use his car once every three days??? :o
add regenerative braking on such a large heavy vehicle and after experiencing it in the light kona, reckon you could get round Aus without a charge station anywhere.
:? Sounds suspiciously like the mythical perpetual motion machine...
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It's OK Ray. You stick with what you understand.. :lol:
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No, no good Martin!
Newspapers are almost extinct I think!
Time for Adult Education Ray........ a diploma of some sort maybe?
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Maybe "The Theory of Cooking Fish'n'Chips" ?? (by Pauline)
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Greynomad wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 6:34 pm
he charged his kona from that in 3 days
:shock:
Does that mean he could only use his car once every three days??? :o
add regenerative braking on such a large heavy vehicle and after experiencing it in the light kona, reckon you could get round Aus without a charge station anywhere.
:? Sounds suspiciously like the mythical perpetual motion machine...
He depleted the battery to see how long it would take to fully charge from his system, he uses it daily to get to work, that was just a test and in the couple of weeks he's had it, he gets home with a full charge as it recharges at his place of work.

Must admit have been a bit of a sceptic on regenerative braking, until the trip in the kona and was amazed at how much it puts back in for such a light small vehicle. Perpetual motion machines, know someone who has close to one of those, he has set up a generating system which runs on a very small motor, which drives 3 different size flywheels, the 3rd one is big and really heavy and that drives an alternator, which produces more power than it uses. He can't start it with just the motor, has to get it all spinning before switching on the motor and when at the right speed, it provides charge. Takes a bit to get going but is an interesting concept and remember in my youth being in a huge wool store, which was operated by what to me looked like a rather small electric motor and huge flywheels that drove the entire place via belts, including presses and lifts.

He tried to explain to me the science behind it, but as soon as he opened his mouth, was lost. Something to do with kinetic energy produced by the 3 different size flywheels, the smallest run by the little motor, which drives the bigger one through belt gearing which drives the large one, which drives the alternator. They spin in different direction so the thing doesn't take off, if I came across some big flywheels would have a go at it myself, but have yet to see any around that were suitable.

You know Ray, humans have got to where they are by experimenting and innovation, against all the sceptic put downs and denials of possibility, To me possibilities are only restricted by your mind, if it's open to new approaches, then solutions will always appear and if you experiment with those solutions, a satisfactory outcome normally comes along.

There is no reason why a big bus carrying 5-7kw of solar and regenerative braking, couldn't be self sufficient on the road, we already have self sufficiency with lifepo4 for in house stuff. No matter what the supposed experts say, physics is not set in stone and that's proved every day, especially as we get more and more information off planet and how the universe laughs at our claims of set scientific and mechanical phenomena.
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well, I dont know about "No reason" NP - with the maximum bus roof area (under 20 sq. m.) filled at the current best rated panels (LG neon) there is a limit of around 3-5kw solar. A trailer with the same would yeild another couple of kw though.
AND I wish that was my setup! :lol:
there is a fella in QLD with 8 x 400w LG panels on his roof, just testing things now. it should keep things cool and warm though, for sure
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Before electric vehicle can become the norm there are multi millions of cars in private ownership and a similar number in car-yards that will be still in use for the next 20 years. Then there will be the need to find somewhere to dump them.

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The whole infrastructure around motor vehicle will change in the very near future. With self drive vehicles and the Uber idea being taken up by enterprising people, there will be no reason to actually own a car in any major city or in a region where major cities as closely linked. Simply call for a vehicle, it will take you to your destination and drop you at the door, then go onto the next job, no wasted space required for parking stations. For those in an out lying area, a mthly rental for a vehicle, that takes you into your city destination, then goes back into the car pool and a different vehicle shows up when you call for a return trip home.
There will still be farm vehicles, motorhomes, caravans and tow vehicles .... but maybe ...... a self drive caravan could travel behind the rental with a suitable hitch and connection.
This whole idea moves the recharging issue from home/work based to the responsibility of the vehicle pooling organisation.

This disruption will be bigger than the change from horse and cart to the automobile resulting in huge changes to the vehicle service industry.

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bagmaker wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 9:50 am well, I dont know about "No reason" NP - with the maximum bus roof area (under 20 sq. m.) filled at the current best rated panels (LG neon) there is a limit of around 3-5kw solar. A trailer with the same would yeild another couple of kw though.
AND I wish that was my setup! :lol:
there is a fella in QLD with 8 x 400w LG panels on his roof, just testing things now. it should keep things cool and warm though, for sure
Wasn't talking about everyone doing it, just that it's possible. There's an elephant in the room when it come to the longevity of fossil fuelled vehicles, especially petrol ones, diesels can run on seed oils, but the availability of fossil fuels will become less and less. Aus only has about 14 days of fuel reserves and we have to import the lot, so any disruption to those supplies will create bedlam for those vehicles and as tie goes on, it will become worse.

The quicker we move to electrification, the less chance of disruption there will be. of course many of the current ICE vehicles, may be able to be converted to electric cheaper than buying a new one and as the industry ramps up, that option will become more viable, as demand increases and prices drop. Which will be no different to the current solar and lithium industry, when I got my setup, it cost many times what it would cost today, no reason why that will not occur with EVs. Would love to electrify my cruisers, they are bog powerful and could carry a huge battery pack in them without any lose of room and probably better performance, when I win lotto may investigate that scenario instead of parting out $50000-$100000 on a new EV. Until then, will just dream on.
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I think you underestimate Australia's reserves of oil. (& other counties too)
I'm not going to provide proof but I have a close friend that worked on a drilling rig.
He is sworn by oath not to reveal any 'decent' info in regards to what was discovered and where abouts.
I think you'll find it's 'policy' to keep our reserves and swallow up the cheaper "Arab" oil before using our own.
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Just so you know, there is already one fully electric RV in Qld. It looks like a totally off grid system has been plonked on the back of a Hino SWB tray truck. It hauls an American 5'er behind. The guy doesn't let on too much about it, just says he is part of an R&D program.
I have seen him parked up in a few different speedway carparks. It is a bit weird to listen to it move, as it obviously it sounds different to a 6cyl turbo truck!
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