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Go on Steve dare yu. I will vote for you when / if I get my Oz citizenship

[SteveW]

Go on Steve dare yu. I will vote for you when / if I get my Oz citizenship

There goes my anti-immigration policy.

[T1 Terry]

Nah.
There’s a simpler way.
Hold a nationwide election for the Prime Minister.
No leaving it to the winning party. Direct election by th whole nation as one electorate.
Appointment to last five years, with NO provision for the rest of the parliament to gang up to remove them.
At the end of the five years we have a plebiscite to see if the people approve of their record in office.
If its a yes, they’re re-appointed for five years. If it’s a no, we throw it open for all comers to stand for PM.
After a third positive plebiscite, the appointment becomes a lifetime one and hereditary. Parliament is permanently dissolved and the PM is then given the powers of an absolute monarch, complete with the power to appoint their cronies as dukes with feudal power over the plebeians.

Worked great up until Charles I...

If the parliamentary majority want to stage a roll of the people nominated PM, it must go to a referendum with the names of all those who wished to over throw the people's choice of prime minister. The people decide if the PM is the problem or those that want the PM rolled and vote for who stays and who is out on their ear.
That would require real political fortitude to put the neck on the line to change prime minsters and I doubt we have many in any of the parties willing to risk it all unless things were really bad. The people would know if the problem warranted a new PM so those looking to over throw the PM would be certain of holding their job while putting forward their choice as a replacement.
I think the party with the most primary votes and the member of that party with the most primary votes as PM should be asked to form the govt, those with the most primary votes in an electorate that are not members of the party forming govt become the opposition. No coalitions or minority parties collaborating to get the numbers to cross the line and no preferential vote offering between those contesting any particular seat, first past the post, if there is no clear winner with a 100 vote plus majority after a recount, only those within that 100 votes group can go to a by election.

T1 Terry

[Greynomad]

T1,
We seem to be thinking along similar lines...
If you ignore our preferences in computer systems.
Oh, and our opinions on how many drive wheels a Jimny should have.

[native pepper]

Forget the Ph app, this may be the next trick the pollies have up their sleeve. Listened to Frydenberg on the national press club for a little while this morning, anyone thinking this virus has opened the pollies eyes, has rocks in their head. It's back to the same old same big business and globalisation when the virus is over. The video in the link makes one shudder at what the future may look like, video analytics is the way they follow and track people using face and other forms of recognition.

"Boston Dynamics' robotic dog, Spot, is roving Singapore parks in an effort to remind pedestrians to remain a safe distance from one another.

According to a statement from the country's National Parks Board, Spot will traverse a 4-mile swath of Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park during off-peak hours while playing a recorded message that reminds park-goers 'observe safe distancing measures.'

The bot will also be fitted with cameras that are 'enabled with... video analytics' which will be used to estimate the number of people in the park."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... tance.html

[T1 Terry]

We will have to wait a few yrs to see if is a total failure before it will be adopted over here NP, that is the way govts do things over this side of the globe

As far as the acceptance rate of the "app" speeding up the path out of lock down .... just another deception, a govt with $$ in its DNA couldn't keep the economy on hold while they were bleeding away their our hard earned surplus, after all, they didn't actually make any sacrifices to get it or any since even though ever one else has had to suffer a serious reduction in income. Do ya reckon the parliament's dinning room is closed and that lot were living on take away or rationing toilet paper?

T1 Terry

[Busman]

What all the doomsday proponents on here seem to forget (because is does not support their position ?}
They are prepared to call out the other side because of entrenched political positions.
In one case everyone in control is "brain dead"

BUT the rest of the world looks on in envy at our infection and death rate ????????????????

AND this was achieved by brain dead politicians ?????????????????

Sure they will call out a few mistakes like Ruby Princess, conveniently forgetting the end result.

Hard to argue with actual facts ?

[native pepper]

Don't think it will happen here either Terry, just an interesting direction some authorities are taking, including our own, but in other ways. Have noted how heavy handed cops are becoming in this day and age, in the past they would have counselled people for not doing the right social thing. Now they arrest parents and take their kids away, when they don't adhere to social distancing, which to me is not a good direction to take when dealing with the public and could be interpreted as heading towards a police state. The young cops of today are a pretty crazy lot and lack any from of social or society understanding, having talked to a couple lately they are really self centered and totally lacking in worldly understanding. I grew up in the era where most of the cops were all ex service people from ww2, they had a very good understanding of life and how to treat people decently and with compassion. They always tried to help, rather than now, they just act, or react negatively.

Personally the handling of this virus thing's a debacle and the only reason Aus has such good outcome so far, is because we have no land borders with other countries and area long way away from every other society. Population density may also play a roll and it seems urban people are the worst offenders of not adhering to the social requirements and it's the younger self entitled population that are really flaunting them. Social unrest seems to be growing in the urban jungles, which is never a good sign for a positive outcome any time and especially for the time we are in now.

Most rural areas are relatively clear of the virus and should stay that way, which is the norm it seems with pandemics throughout history. Outside Tas urban area's there is no virus and no real changes, other than those forced upon us by the authorities, but people are still adhering to the rules as much as possible. Our local school which goes from year 1 to year 12 is virtually empty, no tourists, which makes everyone happy but federal hotels,who are the only ones who benefit from Port Arthur and no chinese fools on the roads causing daily accidents.

[T1 Terry]

The pair of you are at the extreme polar opposite fringes eh Personally, I think all the govts, federal and state, have done well, some better than others but still a great result to date. The federal govts urge to get everyone back to work to save paying out support is understandable, it must be tearing them apart giving money away because it is their DNA to take in money not give it away or even spend it of viable infrastructure projects. This will be the point where the federal govt will either come out heroes or complete fools if an out of control second wave hits undoing all the hard work Aussies have put in to getting to the position we are in now.
It is the voters that are paying the high price, none of the pollies from any party are actually putting in their own $$ towards the effort, although you'd think it was all coming out of Scomo and Frydenberg's personal accounts. None of them have taken a pay cut, just reduced working hrs, this is a Google search link to just what we are paying them by the way https://maps.finance.gov.au/guidance/re ... ion/salary .... do you think they can't afford it or something?

T1 Terry

[native pepper]

This article is very interesting and verifies the stance of those opposed to downloading this app and using the virtual cloud for anything. The bill before the USA government, allows any government agency to access any data on the cloud without informing anyone and with no restrictions. As this bill has been around for a while, our government would be fully aware of its content and aims. Which makes one wonder why they dismissed Aus companies to run the app and passed it to amazon in the USA, giving the USA access to all our data and because it's outside Aus, our government will have access to it through USA agencies and not be subject to any Aus laws.

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsof ... ill-547923

"The bill, which is currently before the Parliament, intends to establish a new framework under the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act to allow for “reciprocal cross-border access to communications data” for law enforcement purposes.

It is necessary for Australia to enter into future bilateral agreements with foreign governments, including the United States under the CLOUD Act.

Law enforcement and national security agencies, both in Australia and overseas, will be able to access data directly from service providers using international production orders, as long as international agreements are in place."