Neither does that, Bernie.
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My fault George as I hacked into this thread, Sorry!
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Must have been a big box with all the vacuum tubes in it.We used to call them PETs pulse eco tester when I had a real job..
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My Dad had to find & fix breaks in 100ft 240v leads which were regularly run over by steel-wheeled trolleys. There were about 20 leads in use in the work area… OH&S? What's that?
Not every wheelmark meant a break, so visual clues led to lots of unnecessary cuts & repairs to the outer sheath. Half-a-dozen repairs & the lead was tossed.
He consulted an electrician mate who explained how to calculate the distance to the break by sending power down one (A) wire and reading the other (N or E, didn't matter) with a multimeter by reading micro-Farads (?name? — memories from 60+ yrs ago). Never did understand, but I think it was the induction principle.
It worked. The management reckoned Dad was a miracle worker. Got a bonus that year.

Not every wheelmark meant a break, so visual clues led to lots of unnecessary cuts & repairs to the outer sheath. Half-a-dozen repairs & the lead was tossed.
He consulted an electrician mate who explained how to calculate the distance to the break by sending power down one (A) wire and reading the other (N or E, didn't matter) with a multimeter by reading micro-Farads (?name? — memories from 60+ yrs ago). Never did understand, but I think it was the induction principle.
It worked. The management reckoned Dad was a miracle worker. Got a bonus that year.

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Has anyone solved the perpetual motion video, or even looked at it?
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I won't until I get home home next week George, but then I think I will try to replicate it. 

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I want to see the electric motor pulled apart, that is where I believe the black magic is hidden. Watch the water pump, have you ever seen a water pump prime that quickly, watch the speed the pump motor turns compared to the volume of water displaced. The speed of the electric fan, if it really was 280vac being generated, that fan would be spinning a lot faster, so would the pump motor. It is very cleverly done, but it is not perpetual motion with a PTO attached.
I believe the alternator was actually converted to a dc motor, by spinning it up with the drill it charges a battery and that drives both the alternator and the electric motor. By linking the two together it makes you believe one is driving the other, but I believe the battery in the electric motor is driving both of them.
Without the pump turning, there is no path for the water being pumped up the "suction pipe" to exit the pump output pipe, the faster the pump motor spins, the more often the path from the pump inlet to the pump outlet is available, so ore water flows ...... the fan, it is just a dc motor, the light globes are LEDs.
If it really was 280vac being generated, he would have been electrocuted more than once handling the wires with so little care
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I believe the alternator was actually converted to a dc motor, by spinning it up with the drill it charges a battery and that drives both the alternator and the electric motor. By linking the two together it makes you believe one is driving the other, but I believe the battery in the electric motor is driving both of them.
Without the pump turning, there is no path for the water being pumped up the "suction pipe" to exit the pump output pipe, the faster the pump motor spins, the more often the path from the pump inlet to the pump outlet is available, so ore water flows ...... the fan, it is just a dc motor, the light globes are LEDs.
If it really was 280vac being generated, he would have been electrocuted more than once handling the wires with so little care
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Gees Terry!!
I'm guessing you don't believe in the Easter Bunny or Father Christmas either??
Had someone here the other day wanted to know where all the flood waters ended up....
Told him & now he's blaming the Gov for rising sea water levels.
I'm guessing you don't believe in the Easter Bunny or Father Christmas either??
Had someone here the other day wanted to know where all the flood waters ended up....
Told him & now he's blaming the Gov for rising sea water levels.
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My aim here is clarity, if indeed this setup does generate AC he basically has solved an energy riddle, that is why I question both the original video and the suggestions from T1 above, and offer alternative thoughts. As I stated ealier I do not know enough about car alternators to really comment on whether they can be made to generate AC, though I do recall that there is some sort of recifier on the bus alternator to convert output to DC ?T1 Terry wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 10:41 pm I want to see the electric motor pulled apart, that is where I believe the black magic is hidden. Watch the water pump, have you ever seen a water pump prime that quickly, watch the speed the pump motor turns compared to the volume of water displaced. The speed of the electric fan, if it really was 280vac being generated, that fan would be spinning a lot faster, so would the pump motor. It is very cleverly done, but it is not perpetual motion with a PTO attached.
I believe the alternator was actually converted to a dc motor, by spinning it up with the drill it charges a battery and that drives both the alternator and the electric motor. By linking the two together it makes you believe one is driving the other, but I believe the battery in the electric motor is driving both of them.
Without the pump turning, there is no path for the water being pumped up the "suction pipe" to exit the pump output pipe, the faster the pump motor spins, the more often the path from the pump inlet to the pump outlet is available, so ore water flows ...... the fan, it is just a dc motor, the light globes are LEDs.
If it really was 280vac being generated, he would have been electrocuted more than once handling the wires with so little care
T1 Terry
Anyone else have any other ideas ?
Ok first up the water pump. It was primed, via a foot valve so no, there is nothing new there, my experience comes from 30 years on a hydroponic farm where we had 50 Davey pumps running 24/7. If the impeller is full you get instant flow.
Next 280 V AC. He only shows that when flicking the pulley quickly, as the top voltage reached, I don't believe he specifies any voltage after that and if you look at the fan speed I think it is about right for low speed on a 3 speed fan.The electric motor speed seems much slower when running than it may have reached by "flicking" ? So perhaps a lower AC voltage is being produced ?
I am not sure how an alternator can be converted to both a DC motor and a battery charger at the same time ? Surely one consumes power and the other outputs it ?
I don't understand the next para at all, obviously when a pump is not running there is no water flow ? Fan speed dealt with before, we have a houseful of AC LED's and a busful of DC LED's so no problem there if AC power is indeed being generated.( the ineference is LED's must be DC )
I was amused also by his handing of of the wires, pretty much wnat I have seen some do in bus conversions !!
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