Perpetual motion ?

[Busman]

David, did you notice the speed that the gear in the second vid was running at ? Way faster than the original which to my mind was very slow< I guess that the original may have been producing AC but at a lower voltage ? Or a lower freequency that would explain the pump output being less than what I would expect from a multi stage pump that size, or even the fan running slower, if you think it is.

So much more complicated than the original in the alternator setup though.

Wish I had more knowledge of the electricery theory, this is doing my head in !

[Busman]

You will need about half an hour but if you chack out the below video perhaps even the skeptics will be won over, they answe all the questions people raise pretty well I think. Seems they have patented it as well ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jldc-k3Blg

[T1 Terry]

This might be of interest for some people https://youtu.be/w_0i45gbQUA?si=6dmVdsFc5jQ7GHvo
The Keely Motors story, seems some people are masters at deception, this one was perpetuated for 26 yrs and investors lost the equivalent of 100 million dollars in todays money

[Busman]

Ok explain the above video then, EXACTLY how it is done, not some vague oh DC power is involved ?

[native pepper]

Back in the late 1970's was introduced to a bloke who lived near Eden in NSW who claimed to have built a perpetual motion generator and got to see what it was. It was 3 flywheels of different sizes driven by a small 12v motor which drove a generator. He said it powered his house by charging his second hand telstra batteries, it certainly looked like it was working and over the next couple of months saw it in operation every time I visited him. Back then had absolutely no idea about electrical stuff, other than what my mate was into, but it inspired me to get into solar and it was extremely expensive. I bought two solar panels, which were so low in power they were almost useless so got a small single cylinder 10hp diesel and connected two alternators to it and it idled away charging my own ex telstra batteries which functioned for the next 10 years at a very low cost.

We went on tour for 3 months and when we got back, the bloke had disappeared, was told by some who knew him that he got paranoid when the government visited wanting to take over his invention and threatened him if he didn't give it up they would jail him. He and his family just disappeared along with his flywheels machine, don't know how true that all was but his machine certainly appeared to work and I saw it in operation many times when we knew them.

Today it's solar panels which provide all my energy needs, but I still think of that flywheel machine which was explained to me and made sense, if ever won lotto would try building one as it was a simple machine. The smaller motor turned a small flywheel, which turned a bigger one which turned a bigger flywheel and that drove the alternator, charging the batteries and powering the 12v motor and there were no other wires connected to the motor, other than when he started it up from a couple of car batteries, which he disconnected when the voltage from the alternator came on and was then powered by the flywheel generator. He had a huge inverter he built which gave him 240v power. He explained it was the size of the flywheels which made the thing work and he had to disconnect the small flywheel from the bigger ones to get it started, as each flywheel reached its right speed he connected the next flywheel which gave a screeching sound as the drive belts took hold. Once up and running it made no noise other than a whirring sound of the flywheels spinning.

It reminded me of the time when delivered some wool in my youth to a wool store facility in Melbourne with a mate and they had a small electric motor driving a big flywheel that drove the entire 3 story wool store, including lifts, wool presses and other stuff. The drive belts were huge and very long, no health and safety back then with no guards on anything and these big belts flopping round and going everywhere round the building.

I know all the technical people say there's no such thing as perpetual motion, but they have to convince me the flywheel thing didn't work and why. As for the above video, seems logical to me that if you can produce more power from generator driven by a motor that's highly efficient and uses less than the generator including frictional loss, why it wouldn't work.

[native pepper]

Thought I'd revive this thread, as been sitting round recovering from my hospital stay and decided to look at videos revolving round perpetual motion for something to do and discovering that most are scams. However whilst looking at a number of youtube videos noticed some which offered free power using simple methods, some using salt water others using magnets and some using spark plugs. The link I've provided is one which uses just spark plugs and can't work out how they do it, unless it actually works. This video claims to provide 220v 6000w power using 7 spark plugs ans then shows a couple of ways to use less spark plugs to power led lights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc3VbkPsarc

Remember years ago reading about Tesla and his claims to have built a free energy system using cable suspended from a couple of poles, but couldn't find anything saying how it was set up. When you think about it, the earth is a big generator, with a big magnet inside it and we see the energy it can produce in lightning and other things, so theoretically unless I'm mistaken the earth is producing huge amounts of energy and it's just a matter of tapping into this energy.

However is it real, or is it trickery, maybe some of those with the technical knowledge can shed some light on the subject and I'm going to get some new spark plugs and see what happens.

[supersparky]

The last time I tried to apply a DC voltage to a mini flourescent lamp, it failed to proceed. I'm thinkinking that it's the old Uncle Fester trick lamp from a few years back. Those mini fluros need AC input for the choke to work.
Can't imagine that it's a feasible arrangement, but pretty simple to try and replicate.
I'd love to be proved wrong.

[native pepper]

Thought it would be DC voltage, but could be converted to AC if it worked and there's a lot of videos doing the same thing. Will give it a go and see what happens when have the time. LED globes do run on DC and the AC has to be converted, so it's feasible, if the DC gets by the converter and you can get AC/DC globes, but only low voltage. Sounds a bit technical to me but worth playing with when nothing to do and have my new shed built.

[Eddy]

The last time I tried to apply a DC voltage to a mini flourescent lamp, it failed to proceed. I'm thinkinking that it's the old Uncle Fester trick lamp from a few years back. Those mini fluros need AC input for the choke to work.
Can't imagine that it's a feasible arrangement, but pretty simple to try and replicate.
I'd love to be proved wrong.

We had one set up using a compact fluro, working off a 12v battery and dc/dc converter outputting about 300v dc. You could buy the converter kits, came with all bits and printed circuit board which you assembled. Another use for the kit was for an electric fence.
Across the ditch at present can’t remember all details (Craft is starting to play havoc these days) with out looking at notes

[T1 Terry]

The last time I tried to apply a DC voltage to a mini flourescent lamp, it failed to proceed. I'm thinkinking that it's the old Uncle Fester trick lamp from a few years back. Those mini fluros need AC input for the choke to work.
Can't imagine that it's a feasible arrangement, but pretty simple to try and replicate.
I'd love to be proved wrong.

We had one set up using a compact fluro, working off a 12v battery and dc/dc converter outputting about 300v dc. You could buy the converter kits, came with all bits and printed circuit board which you assembled. Another use for the kit was for an electric fence.
Across the ditch at present can’t remember all details (Craft is starting to play havoc these days) with out looking at notes

They were the type of lights fitted to the inside of the Bedford bus when we bought it, but 24v not 12v.
The energy draw and light emitted compared to LED lights made them rather out dated, the cost of the replacement tubes would buy a complete LED light assembly and there were two tubes per light fitting

T1 Terry