Our "New to Us" Winnie

[T1 Terry]

Still running on petrol Dave. If the research doesn't find a better price on average and a better distribution of outlets, I think I'll do away with the LPG all together .... pity, but life can be like that .....

T1 Terry

[Wimmera Jack]

Terry, I think you will find that gas outlets are becoming few and far between. We did have three here at Stawell, but only one now.

Hooroo

John

[T1 Terry]

Yeah, I want to look at the cost per ltr of the big gas cyl they use for houses that are not connected to mains gas and off grid houses and houseboats etc. It might be an option to refuel using them with a pump to scavenge the last bit from each cyl .... just a thought at the moment.
I can see a market for it if I can get the numbers right, all the hotrod registered since the latest emissions regulations came in, can only use LPG, no petrol, because LPG burns so much cleaner with zero NOX or hydrocarbons, so no EGR requirement, and with the optimum air/fuel ratio of 15/1, they burn as clean as the VTech engines, so no carbon monoxide either .....

If they were to do away with the fuel excise tax in favour of a vehicle road tax based on a weight/km method, that would better reflect the damage vehicles do to roads, LPG would drop to half price again and it may see a resurgence as an alternate fuel .....

T1 Terry

[supersparky]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't LPG stand for Liquified Petroleum Gas, or something very similar. I thought it was originally a by product of crude oil refining. I didn't think we had any active refineries operating in Aust anymore, hence the lack of available LPG.
Outlets selling LPG.are becoming very thin on the ground, same as places that refill you 8.5/9kg gas bottles.
Most of those have disappeared too. Swap and go or similar seem to be the go to now.
Just checked with the fuel app we use, it costs us around 40c/klm to keep us on the road. A bit cheaper if we aren't carting the car and trailer with us, but not much.
Terry, you are kidding yourself if you think the govt will drop the fuel excise, they are just looking to find a way to charge EV users to pay their 'fair share', as the govt lovingly put it.
Get an EV they said, it'll be cheaper they said. And then when you do, we'll find another way to shaft you. Ba$$ards.

[jon_d]

Just checked with the fuel app we use, it costs us around 40c/klm to keep us on the road. A bit cheaper if we aren't carting the car and trailer with us, but not much.

I'm $0.376 per km. (over 35,000ks). 4.73km/l

It might be an option to refuel using them with a pump to scavenge the last bit from each cyl .... just a thought at the moment.

Keep it at that. The liquid boils off and turns into a gas. There is nothing left when empty. (or is this just another furphy? I don't know any more)

[Dot]

So where are you now?

[supersparky]

Just checked with the fuel app we use, it costs us around 40c/klm to keep us on the road. A bit cheaper if we aren't carting the car and trailer with us, but not much.

I'm $0.376 per km. (over 35,000ks). 4.73km/l

It might be an option to refuel using them with a pump to scavenge the last bit from each cyl .... just a thought at the moment.

Keep it at that. The liquid boils off and turns into a gas. There is nothing left when empty. (or is this just another furphy? I don't know any more)

If you are doing bottle to bottle transfer they will pressure equalise at whatever percent, unless you have a rather expensive pump. Can't see the value in doing that. I'm pretty sure that you can only do that at an accredited refill facility. Might be cheaper to park it up and start the hybrid conversion.

[jon_d]

unless you have a rather expensive pump.

The liquid will still boil off as it approaches empty. So there is nothing to pump out. Remember, the gas pressure after the regulator is only 2.75 kpa.
So there is less than 2.75pka when the big tank is empty. At about 20*, the pressure is about 90psi when the last of the liquid boils.

Might be cheaper to park it up and start the hybrid conversion.

Yep, Just do the hybrid conversion. Can't be that hard. Someone once said, once you take the original out, you're halfway there.

[T1 Terry]

Just checked with the fuel app we use, it costs us around 40c/klm to keep us on the road. A bit cheaper if we aren't carting the car and trailer with us, but not much.

I'm $0.376 per km. (over 35,000ks). 4.73km/l

It might be an option to refuel using them with a pump to scavenge the last bit from each cyl .... just a thought at the moment.

Keep it at that. The liquid boils off and turns into a gas. There is nothing left when empty. (or is this just another furphy? I don't know any more)

Decanting liquid from one cyl to the other requires a pressure difference. To fill a caravan bottle, they bleed off gas to lower the pressure in the bottle they are trying to fill, but you can't do that with an automotive LPG tank, so you need a pump to create the pressure difference.
A 45 ltr kg bottle holds 90ltrs on gas in liquid form, turned upside down it will deliver liquid not gas vapour.
I checked the swap price, Elgas is $140 per 45kg bottle swap, that comes out to $1.55 ltr, not worth the effort ......

LPG is much cheaper in Vic because the state hasn't added a tax on top of the fed excise that little Johnny Howard put on it in an attempt to milk money out of an otherwise clean fuel.

T1 Terry

[supersparky]

That's almost correct Terry. But I'm not going to put it up here, as the method we used to use was technically illegal. When you run straight gas, you need a backup plan, because at some point you will run out of gas.