Mackay charging station

[BruceS]

A lot of stations but no cars?

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[T1 Terry]

A lot of stations but no cars?
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Build them and they will come ...... Why no comparison photos of petrol and diesel bowsers with no cars using them In the boundaries of Mackay, I bet the ratio of bowsers with no vehicles compared to EV chargers with no vehicles, makes the EV vacant chargers look minimal in comparison ....

But it good to see they have enough electricity up that way to supply that many fast chargers .... maybe the solar and wind is good up the way

T1 Terry

[native pepper]

They installed Ev chargers in Dunalley Tas years ago, never saw anyone use them until this year. Went past them today and both chargers were in use with 3 cars waiting, Ev's are becoming more prevalent in Tas I've noticed, particularly MG's. My osteopath friend bought a second hand Nissan leaf a couple of years ago, now there's a couple of MG's and a tesla parked along side her Leaf. Just gotta win lotto and I'll gleefully buy one, after having a drive of the leaf and a Kona, they’re a dream on wheels.

Range anxiety seems to be still a problem and have noticed when coming across and Ev on the road, they tend to cruise at about 90kph, yet to see one overtake other cars, which makes it great for my diesel as unlike many drivers, when you go to pass they speed up. Bu E'vs seem to just cruise along maintaining their current speed, which is good because you soon learn when coming up behind a car, to look for an exhaust and if they don't have one you have a good idea they won't speed up on you.

[supersparky]

Terry, you may or may not be aware that the Qld govt have been inventing schemes to try and convert the populace to EV's since before Chris Bowen was a Federal Minister. There are truckloads of not currently in use EV chargers all over coastal Qld. Might have something to do with not having daylight saving. We don't need to get any more sun, if it's not shining, thankyou very much. As Premier Joh was known to say. We have more sun hours than most of the rest of populated Australia, but the take up of EV's still isn't good. Do you reckon that maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe they think that EV's still have a long way to go, before they will replace the ICE.

[T1 Terry]

They installed Ev chargers in Dunalley Tas years ago, never saw anyone use them until this year. Went past them today and both chargers were in use with 3 cars waiting, Ev's are becoming more prevalent in Tas I've noticed, particularly MG's. My osteopath friend bought a second hand Nissan leaf a couple of years ago, now there's a couple of MG's and a tesla parked along side her Leaf. Just gotta win lotto and I'll gleefully buy one, after having a drive of the leaf and a Kona, they’re a dream on wheels.

Range anxiety seems to be still a problem and have noticed when coming across and Ev on the road, they tend to cruise at about 90kph, yet to see one overtake other cars, which makes it great for my diesel as unlike many drivers, when you go to pass they speed up. Bu E'vs seem to just cruise along maintaining their current speed, which is good because you soon learn when coming up behind a car, to look for an exhaust and if they don't have one you have a good idea they won't speed up on you.

Range anxiety is something beat up by the petroleum industry and clung to by those afraid of change like a non swimmer to a flotation device in a swimming pool.

I could drive from Devonport to Judbury on the side of Huon Valley where the Bil has his farm, on a single charge in my poverty pack MG4 with the smallest range battery of the lot of them, and still maintain the 110km/h down the highway all the way to Hobart, so range anxiety in Tas just doesn't meet the logic test.

This whole thing about comparing fast chargers to service stations would make even less sense to you, NP, you could charge at home for free from your solar, you don't even have to collect used cooking oil and process it ..... that in itself isn't cost free, is it?

If people got over the range anxiety and looked more at the free fuel from their rooftop solar, a lot more people would take up EVs, the reserve power storage for use when the grid charges an arm and a leg, would just be a bonus.
How long could you power your house and workshop on a 51kwh battery? That is the equivalent of a 4,250Ah 12v LFP battery .......

T1 Terry

[T1 Terry]

Terry, you may or may not be aware that the Qld govt have been inventing schemes to try and convert the populace to EV's since before Chris Bowen was a Federal Minister. There are truckloads of not currently in use EV chargers all over coastal Qld. Might have something to do with not having daylight saving. We don't need to get any more sun, if it's not shining, thankyou very much. As Premier Joh was known to say. We have more sun hours than most of the rest of populated Australia, but the take up of EV's still isn't good. Do you reckon that maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe they think that EV's still have a long way to go, before they will replace the ICE.

Do you mean installed but not used at all? Or still waiting to be installed and battling the locals who believe the nonsense the petroleum industry is peddling?

If you mean EV chargers under utilised, the uptake of the horseless carriage didn't take off until fuel bowsers started appearing outside the local grocery store .... remember seeing those in the old towns, mostly well past their time now, but I've seen a few still in use ......

The farmers held onto their horse and buggy as long as they could, the horse was fuelled for free at home, yet they couldn't imagine buying a vehicle they could refuel for free at home .... people are strange creatures, reluctance to change, until it's forced on them, generally by the wife or ridicule by the locals .... then they wonder why it took them so long to take up this new technology .....

T1 Terry

[Bow]

Coal country, people need to do long distances fast in 4wd s to get to and from work. Not the place for electric cars sitting around charging stations.

[T1 Terry]

Coal country, people need to do long distances fast in 4wd s to get to and from work. Not the place for electric cars sitting around charging stations.

How fast and how far would the travel each trip? It's less than an hr to recharge at a fast charger, or plugged into a slower charging grid, maybe up to 8 hrs if there were a lot of cars all pulling out of a limited supply .... So, parked up at the Donger or at the work site, fully charged when the needed to use them next ..... it could be a 4 X 4 if really needed, but probably not for the work car.
The trucks and drag lines are already electric, they just run a diesel generator to power them, so they are really hybrids and only because the electrical infrastructure is there yet. When it is, the diesel engine and fuel tanks will go and swapable batteries will replace them .....

T1 Terry

[native pepper]

They installed Ev chargers in Dunalley Tas years ago, never saw anyone use them until this year. Went past them today and both chargers were in use with 3 cars waiting, Ev's are becoming more prevalent in Tas I've noticed, particularly MG's. My osteopath friend bought a second hand Nissan leaf a couple of years ago, now there's a couple of MG's and a tesla parked along side her Leaf. Just gotta win lotto and I'll gleefully buy one, after having a drive of the leaf and a Kona, they’re a dream on wheels.

Range anxiety seems to be still a problem and have noticed when coming across and Ev on the road, they tend to cruise at about 90kph, yet to see one overtake other cars, which makes it great for my diesel as unlike many drivers, when you go to pass they speed up. Bu E'vs seem to just cruise along maintaining their current speed, which is good because you soon learn when coming up behind a car, to look for an exhaust and if they don't have one you have a good idea they won't speed up on you.

Range anxiety is something beat up by the petroleum industry and clung to by those afraid of change like a non swimmer to a flotation device in a swimming pool.

I could drive from Devonport to Judbury on the side of Huon Valley where the Bil has his farm, on a single charge in my poverty pack MG4 with the smallest range battery of the lot of them, and still maintain the 110km/h down the highway all the way to Hobart, so range anxiety in Tas just doesn't meet the logic test.

This whole thing about comparing fast chargers to service stations would make even less sense to you, NP, you could charge at home for free from your solar, you don't even have to collect used cooking oil and process it ..... that in itself isn't cost free, is it?

If people got over the range anxiety and looked more at the free fuel from their rooftop solar, a lot more people would take up EVs, the reserve power storage for use when the grid charges an arm and a leg, would just be a bonus.
How long could you power your house and workshop on a 51kwh battery? That is the equivalent of a 4,250Ah 12v LFP battery .......

T1 Terry

Range anxiety is a real thing for many people Terry, you can't just dismiss it because some Aussies have access to lots of chargers, whilst others can access very few. Of course you can drive from the top of Tas to the bottom on a single charge for many EV's, but when you get to the bottom, there's no chargers. There's also the current problem with bringing an EV on the ferries, no chargers on board. When you get off the boat you then have to combat the problem of having the right app to access chargers and according to my information, that requires at least 3 apps and charging configurations, plus connectors especially outside cities. The new ferries will have charge stations on them, but no details as yet. It's not like ice vehicles, where you can stop at any of the tens of thousands of servo's and fill up. It's the same in SE Vic/NSW, where chargers are situated mostly in big towns and again you need different apps and connectors to access them.

Sure I could charge an Ev from my panels, my friend installed another bank of panels to charger her Ev at home and at her work and estimates it will take her at least 3 years to recoup the investment if she drives enough that is. Plus accessing an Ev means spending at leats $30000 if you want one with a decent battery condition, in this day and age, not many have that kind of money when you can get an ice vehicle for peanuts.

I'd buy an Ev tomorrow, but would need to win lotto to do it, unless I sold some of my vehicles/equipment and bus (sale fell through) then I'd have one Ev which wouldn't take me where I'm used to going to visit friends as you need 4x4 and cross a couple of rivers, plus carry musical gear and provisions. Of course could take the engine out of my VTX and put in an electric one, storing the batteries in the sidecar but not into that as love pushing the VTX around and the deep guttural sound it makes as it lopes along. At 100kph, it's only just over idling.

By the way, the sidecar is on the bike and tuned so can drive down the road and take my hands off the steering and it tracks straight for a long way, putting a 10inch wheel on it has dramatically changed the handling for the better. In the process of preparing the sidecar for painting, designing a lift off canopy and cutting a doorway into the sidecar, but decided to leave that until after summer, as expect it will take me quite awhile to get it all right and want to enjoy pushing the chair around Tas for awhile in our lovely summers and picking up old ladies who still want a thrill.

[T1 Terry]

I lived in Tassie for a few yrs, some 45 yrs ago, and they had 240vac power points even back then

Just like service stations, you can tap you debit car at the bowser, the only advantage of carrying an RFID card is, every provider can be linked to the card and you get discounts depending on who the network is, some give you the first 7kwh to 10kwh for free, others are free like at some shopping centres ..... never heard of that off from a petrol station

Don't you have second hand solar panels over there? 3 yrs equals a lot of solar panels if comparing to 3 yrs of buying petrol ...... Even if she drives 10 kms 3 days a week, 4 x 250w solar panels would keep her EV fully charged ..... not even the most fuel efficient ICE vehicle can be fuelled for free ... well, legally The further she drives, the quicker the payback time .....
The biggest error many seem to make is an EV doesn't have to be filled from empty to fully charged every time, you only need enough in the battery to reach where you want to go, and back if you plan to only charge from home .....

Can't understand the whole Ferry argument, they have EV chargers in Geelong and Devonport, just like petrol stations, in fact, we found a few places that had EV charging but no petroleum products available, so the swing has already started.

We have been quite surprised by the number of fuel stations that have closed in the last 12 mths in places we had bought fuel before .... now just shipping container diesel tanks and truck card payment set ups, yet we would still be able to get an EV charge if we needed ......

Trying to suggest you could drive from one end of Tassie to the other and not find anywhere you could get a charge is taking a lend there a bit NP

If you don't want an EV, that's fine, but don't use excuses why they wouldn't do what you need, excuses can be torn apart to easily

T1 Terry