caravan/mobile home cct breakers

[sunnykids]

Does anyone have a copy of the Australian standards for mobile building, ie mobile homes /caravans etc 240v wiring ? Do they recommend the use of single pole or double pole circuit breakers. I know the switches & power points are double pole.

[T1 Terry]

Hi Sunnykids and welcome to the forum. The Aus standard 3001:2008 for electrical installation in transportable structures and vehicles says..... lots but double pole RCD are the requirement, it’s another switch really.
Your sparkie who will sign off the final certificate needs to read these standards and understand them, there is a lot additional to the fixed structure standards. The requirements for fixed wired inverters and generators takes a little bit of getting the head around as it involves earth/neutral links in various places or not at all and when each is applicable
Hope you decide to start a post on your fit out, with photos of course, we love photos

T1 Terry

[oldtrack123]

Does anyone have a copy of the Australian standards for mobile building, ie mobile homes /caravans etc 240v wiring ? Do they recommend the use of single pole or double pole circuit breakers. I know the switches & power points are double pole.

I suggest you talk top the Sparky who is going to do the job
ALL fixed 240v wiring by law "SHALL BE DONE BY A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN"
A lot more involved than just switches & circuit breakers

Make sure HE has a copy of AS3001 :2008 but it is ADDITIONAL reqs to AS3000:2007 PLUS ammendments in 2012,which also must be adhered to

BOTH are needed

Also do not assume that you can do it yourself & then expect a licensed electrician to put his head on the line & just give you are compliance certificate

The Standards are copyright protected, not many would risk sticking their neck out & send you are copy
Anyone can buy them!!!

PeterQ

[sunnykids]

Thanks for the lesson but the question was "Are single pole or double pole circuit breakers used in RV's" ?? RCD's are double pole but what cct breakers are used ?

[BruceS]

OK......... stepping in here...
I fully understand PeterQ's opinion on anything AC electrical & he's entitled to 'vent' it as he sees fit.
Having said that there can be a question simply out of curiousity and should perhaps expect that curiousity to be given an answer.

Perter's expertise is more to do with any new installation, construction or alterations. (I think?)
We all know that there are thousands of 'units' still in circulation that are no where near compliant with current specs.
All the old Viscount, Franklin and all the rest simply have an old ceramic fuse in them with an isolation switch!!!
There is no compulsion to have these units made compliant even though it may be advisable.

Silly as it sounds, if you ask the same question in USA (forum?), where anyone and everyone is allowed to do-it-yourself, you'll get immediate helpfull advice on anything electrical.

We live in Australia and so I have to recommend we obey our laws!!

I'll allow the discussion to continue but ......... I'm watching it!

[Dot]

George did all our wiring all under the supervision of the electrician. The sparkie did the installation of the circuit breakers so I have no idea if they are single or double, that we left to him.. sorry sunnykid. By the way welcome.. What are you building/converting??

[oldtrack123]

Thanks for the lesson but the question was "Are single pole or double pole circuit breakers used in RV's" ?? RCD's are double pole but what cct breakers are used ?

Hi

Ok, I do it a different way
Why do you ask???
Since you should not be installing them I do not understand why you asking'?

Remember a little knowledge can be dangerous,With 230V someone could end up dead

The Electrician SHOULD know what is required & a lot more besides the switches & breakers.!!!

You may find an electrician who will be happy to supervise you as ii Dot's case but you would need to tee that up with him first ,THEN follow HIS instructions as to what is required
IT will be his head on the block if something is done wrong

I certainly will not assist some one to carry out illegal electrical work over the net!!!

AS I posted a FULL understanding of ALL the requirements & the application of the rules in BOTH standards is required

And just to show the problem
ALL RCDS are not double pole,in many/most situations switching the neutral is against the rules & SINGLE pole are used;)


Peter

[T1 Terry]

Thanks for the lesson but the question was "Are single pole or double pole circuit breakers used in RV's" ?? RCD's are double pole but what cct breakers are used ?

What are you referring to as a cct breaker? Doesn't cct stand for closed circuit television?

Thanks for the lesson but the question was "Are single pole or double pole circuit breakers used in RV's" ?? RCD's are double pole but what cct breakers are used ?

Hi

Ok, I do it a different way
Why do you ask???
Since you should not be installing them I do not understand why you asking'?

Remember a little knowledge can be dangerous,With 230V someone could end up dead

The Electrician SHOULD know what is required & a lot more besides the switches & breakers.!!!

You may find an electrician who will be happy to supervise you as ii Dot's case but you would need to tee that up with him first ,THEN follow HIS instructions as to what is required
IT will be his head on the block if something is done wrong

I certainly will not assist some one to carry out illegal electrical work over the net!!!
AS I posted a FULL understanding of ALL the requirements & the application of the rules in BOTH standards is required

And just to show the problem
ALL RCDS are not double pole,in many/most situations switching the neutral is against the rules & SINGLE pole are used;)


Peter

Hi Peter,
I don't think anyone has made it compulsory for you to answer a question you don't want to answer, the same as no one has made it compulsory for anyone to follow your advice.
These are just forums, you can only advise, no point in letting your blood pressure get the better of you, that was what working for a living was all about, the pay on these places is lousy so it's just not worth getting all worked up about

T1 Terry

[Jim]

I don't see any danger in anyone asking a question. It does not necessarily mean that the person is going to do whatever they are asking about.

How does a TV work? heck, I'm not going to try and build one...as an example!

[sunnykids]

Admin, I suggest you close the 240v heading on this forum if the discussion is going to degenerate in what we should or should not be doing. I am a 60yr old who has been working on 12v, 50v & 240V most of my working life. I don't need to be told how to go about it when that is not the question I asked ??? I don't understand why on most forums, when 240v is mentioned, all the do gooders come out of the wooodwork with their 2 bob's worth. It seems this forum has attracted the same group ??????