supersparky wrote:Slowhand, Just a word of warning. Methane is a highly volatile odourless gas. I'm not telling you how to suck eggs, but it's pretty impressive when it goes bang.
Nothing like hydrogen/oxygen mix from an electrolyser The flame front is so fast that the electrolyser explodes if you don't use a bubbler flame arrester/pressure release close to the ignition source to protect against flame back, the commercial flame arrestors do not work with this stuff. This mix is also odourless, zero noxious emissions and the only residue is water. The flame is hot enough to melt steel if concentrated but it's an oxidising flame so it can't be used for welding. It's a perfect heating and cooking gas as well as an internal combustion engine fuel and it's produced from water, any water.
Uh Oh.....
Are you headed on a new path T1????
Having been there a few years back, I can attest to some difficulties in storage and some glaring differences between power required to produce the product and actual resultant product.
But times are a changin', technology is improving.........
and new discoveries regarding combined energy use to achieve the same result. Storage is a no no, produced and burnt. Water quality was the first issue, now sorted, energy required is just about sorted, it's not all electrical, gas generation control and the method of feeding it to the various equipment is still a work in progress Not a new path, part of the original path, the first bit was an aimed for by product, the second and third stages will be the real eye opener
T1 Terry
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Not till I have the project finished and proven, went through enough cr*p with the lithium batteries from the know all know nothings, I don't plan to go down that road again
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Those who struggle to become a leader, rarely know a clear direction forward for anyone but themselves
Not till I have the project finished and proven, went through enough cr*p with the lithium batteries from the know all know nothings, I don't plan to go down that road again
Good Oh
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supersparky wrote:Slowhand, Just a word of warning. Methane is a highly volatile odourless gas. I'm not telling you how to suck eggs, but it's pretty impressive when it goes bang.
T1 Terry wrote:
bagmaker wrote:
T1 Terry wrote:
Nothing like hydrogen/oxygen mix from an electrolyser The flame front is so fast that the electrolyser explodes if you don't use a bubbler flame arrester/pressure release close to the ignition source to protect against flame back, the commercial flame arrestors do not work with this stuff. This mix is also odourless, zero noxious emissions and the only residue is water. The flame is hot enough to melt steel if concentrated but it's an oxidising flame so it can't be used for welding. It's a perfect heating and cooking gas as well as an internal combustion engine fuel and it's produced from water, any water.
Uh Oh.....
Are you headed on a new path T1????
Having been there a few years back, I can attest to some difficulties in storage and some glaring differences between power required to produce the product and actual resultant product.
But times are a changin', technology is improving.........
and new discoveries regarding combined energy use to achieve the same result. Storage is a no no, produced and burnt. Water quality was the first issue, now sorted, energy required is just about sorted, it's not all electrical, gas generation control and the method of feeding it to the various equipment is still a work in progress Not a new path, part of the original path, the first bit was an aimed for by product, the second and third stages will be the real eye opener
The way to go for large-scale storage of renewable electricity is 'power to gas', which means making hydrogen from water. Germany can store up to 200 terawatt-hours with the existing gas infrastructure, much more than the around 30 TWh needed in a 100 per cent renewable electricity scenario. And hybrid wind power plants with the ability to store energy over hydrogen are already starting up.
Most existing projects are wind parks. But now Spiegel reports about a new technology for solar power-to-gas.
Researchers have developed a solar cell that is able to directly split water. It does not produce electricity in a first step and split the water in a second step, but rather only has one step.
Just like plants’ photosynthesis produces carbohydrates directly, this solar cell will produce hydrogen directly.
It beats photosynthesis (efficiency of about 1 per cent) by a large margin, converting already 12.3 per cent of the solar energy into hydrogen energy, even at this early prototype stage. And this solar cell uses no expensive materials, which means it will be even cheaper than photovoltaic solar cells.
T1 Terry
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I Tasmania have found Bunnings to be the cheapest place to do a gas bottle swap. $18.00 for a 3.7 (which was once filled to 4.0). Do not know if this is Australia wide.
baysidetas wrote:I Tasmania have found Bunnings to be the cheapest place to do a gas bottle swap. $18.00 for a 3.7 (which was once filled to 4.0). Do not know if this is Australia wide.
Barrie
We pay $22.95, or $25 for a 9kg fill in Tas,at Cambridge, Sorell, Devonport and Launie that's the price range from private fillers. Believe the average 8.5kg swap cost goes from $30 - $38, but that could vary a lot.
The flame front is so fast that the electrolyser explodes if you don't use a bubbler flame arrester/pressure release close to the ignition source to protect against flame back, the commercial flame arrestors do not work with this stuff. This mix is also odourless, zero noxious emissions and the only residue is water. The flame is hot enough to melt steel if concentrated but it's an oxidising flame so it can't be used for welding. It's a perfect heating and cooking gas as well as an internal combustion engine fuel and it's produced from water, any water.
Not a new path, part of the original path, the first bit was an aimed for by product, the second and third stages will be the real eye opener 
