DC to DC chargers, do you really need one?

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DC to DC chargers, do you really need one?

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Those who have visited the CF would know this is a volatile subject over there, so good it got me banned :lol:

The basics, the principle is to charge the house batteries via the engines alternator while driving, the idea can also double as a battery charger rather than carrying a generator for the few times you might need to use one.

After about '65 and before around '80 most car charging systems put out roughly 14.4v at the battery, the battery had caps you took off and refilled the water and if you forgot the battery boiled dry and failed. Up until this time most starter motors required a well charged battery to turn the engine over, if the charge got down a bit the engine was very sluggish to turn over. 14.4v is the ideal voltage to recharge lea acid batteries, these include flooded cell like starter batteries, low maintenance seal type batteries, AGM batteries and Gel batteries are all types of lead acid battery. From around 1980 onwards vehicle manufactures started to use different starter motors and electric that would operate at a lower voltage, all the way down to 10v, that way they could lower the charging voltage and use sealed type batteries, so the battery voltage dropped to 14v or less, this reduced the need for constant battery top ups and reduced the number of battery boil dry failures.... and every one was happy.
The next change came only around 5 yrs ago, the so called smart alternator, the voltage would be around 14v still but for only around 30 mins after starting, then it dropped back to 13v, supposed to be a fuel saving move but there were a number of reasons behind the idea which I won't bore you with now.

All this reducing of charging voltages severely effects the recharging of house batteries and the longer the cable the greater the problem. Cable lengths for DC voltage are measured by the full current path, the red cable from the start battery to the house battery and the black cable all the way back to the start battery, this can be a 15 mtr or longer round trip and voltage drop occurs depending on the thickness of the conductor and the number of amps trying to flow through it. The greater the current draw (amps) the greater the voltage drop, so although the alternator may be rated at 120 amps it is restricted to 14v or less, even 20 amps through 6 B&S cable (13.5mmsq copper conductor) through a 15 mtr cable run would be only 13.6v at the house battery, not enough voltage to charge it at all, just enough voltage to stop it getting any further discharged so useless for recharging the house battery.

This opened up a market for DC to DC chargers, they operate by boosting the voltage at the house battery end back up to 14.4v, the ideal lead acid battery charging voltage. They can do this even if the voltage coming in drops down to 10v so you can rely on the fact that there would be enough voltage available at the house battery to charge it at what ever amps the particular model DC to DC charger offers.

How did I go, too much information in one go? Should I make them shorter or add more information?

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Ok will sleep on that one :roll: :roll: :roll:
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All good...
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I didn't know that - but I understand! So what upset the other your detractors?
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Interesting, about the right amount of info for one grab I would think, keep em coming
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39 views and 4 replies, does that mean the other 35 are still in a coma with their eyes rolled back in their heads :lol:
The problems at the other place is a mix of one commercial operator would loose all his business if this was accepted as fact so there was/is a continual barrage of mis-information that often contradicts itself and a band that are happy to support anything anti T1 Terry. Add to that a group suffering from the usual resistance to change/refusal to accept they were mislead resulting in one of the Redmen being part of the latter group. He decided via censorship/deleting posts to block anything that questioned his decision, when I put up an easy to understand explanation after he had said I wasn't allowed to post any more on that thread he banned me and deleted the post.

Another chapter on this topic tonight, but please ask any questions to clarify anything you don't fully understand

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Exactly what the manual for my dc-dc charger says. However, it also says that if the starter battery is below a certain voltage the charging of the house battery ceases until the voltage of the starter battery returns to the required level. My dc-dc charger is battery -battery not alternator to battery.

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Very clearly explained Terry!
Perhaps a link or two to the sort of DC to DC units might be of interest to some?
One day I might get you to install one on my houseboat. I saw you crawling under a van one day so you could crawl under the boat too?... maybe?...
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BruceS wrote:Very clearly explained Terry!
Perhaps a link or two to the sort of DC to DC units might be of interest to some?
One day I might get you to install one on my houseboat. I saw you crawling under a van one day so you could crawl under the boat too?... maybe?...
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Keep them coming, gives me a lead on what to put in the second chapter so I know I'm heading in the right direction. No point in me rambling on about what I think you want to know and sending every one to sleep
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