Is it a disaster ?

[T1 Terry]

There is book titled "A World with no Ice" 'Ice asks no questions ... reads no newspapers, listens to no debates. It is not burdened by ideology' one of the most quoted lines from the book written around the turn of this century, late '90s to early 2000. Try reading it with an open mind and look at the predictions and when they are expected to occur..... many of them are occurring already and if the logic path used for these predictions stay constant, then add the accelerated rate these are occurring compared to the predictions and it's not the world we will leave for our children's children or even our children, it's the one we will live out our remaining yr in. Let's hope the kids don't want to get even with us eh
Lake Eyrie was once part of the ocean, so were the flat lands behind Wentworth as can be seen by the sand hills surrounding it, melt the ice on the land and add it back to the ocean, add in the water expansion as it warms and.......

T1 Terry

[Shirley]

TV news tonight told us that we have just had the warmest winter on record, climate is changing for sure, we will probably experience the coldest spring on record now

[T1 Terry]

TV news tonight told us that we have just had the warmest winter on record, climate is changing for sure, we will probably experience the coldest spring on record now

Quite likely, the wind patterns are effected and the first sign was the ice moving to a different section of the Antarctic region, those winds will end up blowing further nth reaching parts of Australia. Spring snow is nothing new in Tassie and Victoria, but after a rather warm compared to normal winter? More rain because the upper levels of the ocean are still increasing in temperature increasing the evaporation rate and winds moving this vapour saturated air to areas that can't support that level of saturated air so the moisture falls out of the air, yet the cycle continues.... sound familiar?

T1 Terry

[supersparky]

You can find seashells in the sand hills on the fringe of the Hay Plains if you bother to look, and they drill through the Antartic icecap to get a snapshot of the world X? amount of years ago. I am sure that climates do change from time to time, it makes sense to me.
I really don't care what some pollies think.

[Mrbolly]

I don't know about all the disaster theories in the world, we had Nostradamus And in recent times Al Gore and the pimple on his parade Tim Flannery all of whom got it palpably wrong. Al Gore predicted New York would be under water by now because of man made global warming and Tim Flannery weighed in with the prediction that Sydney would emulate Atlantis and take a dive several years ago.
I guess by now you have a sense that I don't think Tim Flannery deserved to be made Australian of the year and my scepticism about the billions of dollars Al Gore has ratcheted out the worlds wallets with take 1 and now take 2 has laughing hysterically all the way to the bank.
I do believe however in the science that tells us about the natural cycles of global warming and rises in sea level as well as the natural cycles of global cooling.
Suffice it to say, I think we will all have our feet dry as we visit the Opera House for many years to come, regardless of the predictions of one Tim Flannery.

[T1 Terry]

A give away regarding sea level changes can be seen on Google maps if you pan out to see the whole of Australia. The light blue fringe was once above the water line...... Then look at all the areas that have a salt problem and sand hills with sea shells etc and you can see how high the sea level has been. Now draw a time line between each of these changes, anything on the scale of the present sea level rise? an average rise of 1.7mm per yr through the 20th century and an average of 3.2mm per yr in the last 20 yrs back in 2014 http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/2014/ recent figures show an even faster rate
The book I mentioned earlier "A world without Ice" shows the rapid effect the loss of ice has on sea temperatures and therefore sea level increases. The ice core samples mentioned by David show how much is disappearing from the top of the core drill shafts and some have discovered the increased ocean temp has hollowed out what was thought to be solid ice resulting in the drill core finding water where there was ice previously and there is still ice at other core drill sites.

[Vik351]

So Terry, if one was to release all the trapped H2O man has in tins and glass ...

Would we all be stuffed...???

vik... movin to higher ground...!!!

[native pepper]

Finding sea shells inland, is not that good an indication of previous sea levels. When based in the snowy mountains, we discovered part of a whale backbone lumbar being used as a seat when drenching sheep and cattle. They got it from the side of the Bombala river, which at that point is 800m above seas level. When they took us to the spot where it came from, there were many sea shells there. Which to me means the landscape and topography has changed dramatically over millions of years and this area of the Snowy's was once under water, until an upheaval of some kind. Which was probably the breaking up of Gondwanaland.

On dead mans island at Port Arthur back in the early 1800's, a British officer carved average high and low tides on the side of a rocky faced shore. Now the high water mark is below low tide all the time and average high water is a good 4-5cm above the original high tide mark.

As for global warming, think only those trapped in some bizarre ideological delusion would claim it as false. There are to many indicators for it not to be so, especially as it has been forecast since the late 1960's to my knowledge. I've kept rain fall stats for over 20 years here in Tas and our rain fall has dropped at least 30% over that time, each year it drops a bit more. We had visitors for long periods this year as we haven't traveled outside Tas and they commented on how much rain we get, yet even though it rains a lot here, the amounts are small to in the past. Used to wear gumboots all through winter here, haven't worn them for almost 2 decades now.

The major weather events we are seeing round the globe, are just the very early beginnings and as the science predictions which were supposed to happen decades down the track, are happening now. Think we will really know what it is all about over the next decade and many may not get through it because of dramatic weather and unbearable temps worldwide. Already many parts of the middle east and other equatorial societies are suffering badly, what will happen in the 2020's, is anyone guess.

Not to worry, got my mask, snorkel and flippers ready and looking to book a ticket to Proxima Centauri as soon as possible.

[T1 Terry]

So Terry, if one was to release all the trapped H2O man has in tins and glass ...

Would we all be stuffed...???

vik... movin to higher ground...!!!

Depends if it was passed through the kidneys first.... might not be stuffed unless the other half wasn't too pleased but I'm sure it would introduce the wobbly boot syndrome
the actual volume of water isn't the problem, it is the volume of salt water that will cause problems. Maybe we build big desalination plants and store the water where it can be used for crop irrigation or split into hydrogen and oxygen and reused as a fuel, that should have a heap of it stored somewhere other than the oceans.... or we could pump the cold air down from the upper layers and refreeze the polar ice caps so the water was again stored as ice..... that will be the way nature does it but the control method is need of a bit of fine tuning so we don't end up freezing the planet after cooking it. Nature has its own thermal regulator, we just can't survive the extreme temps it has the thermostat set at, but I guess it would sort the problem for a few hundred thousand yrs

T1 Terry

[Riverlander]

Hi. I do believe the climate is changing and peoplekind ( probably can't say mankind now ) is having quite an effect on it but I do get annoyed by the people that have turned it into a big business and are making a lot of money out of it. Also there are still a lot of houses being built on mariners all around the coastline only a metre or so above high water mark and the banks are lending money for them on a 20 or 30 year loan. If the predictions are correct they will have fish swimming through the front door before they are paid for. Port Lincoln had water close to their front doors earlier this year with their king tides. Still homes being built at places like Tumby Bay that is only about 1.5 to 2 mts above high tide. If the water is going to rise as much as predicted how much money will be wasted trying to hold it back until they give up and abandon places like Tumby.
Cheers John