The USA is attempting to shift chip production back home

[T1 Terry]

This is the latest video in a rather complex topic, but this lady explains it so well I can nearly follow it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36W0dMwQJxU

Samsung and Tesla .... Elon Musk really, are betting the farm on making it work ..... If they lose, the technology still belongs to a Taiwanese company TSMC ...... it is the brains of the workforce that is needed, not something you can walk in and take over or even steel the formula to get your system to work, it's not just the high tech machines, it is the high tech minds that set them up to suit each particular factory

T1 Terry

[Noggins]

This is the latest video in a rather complex topic, but this lady explains it so well I can nearly follow it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36W0dMwQJxU

Samsung and Tesla .... Elon Musk really, are betting the farm on making it work ..... If they lose, the technology still belongs to a Taiwanese company TSMC ...... it is the brains of the workforce that is needed, not something you can walk in and take over or even steel the formula to get your system to work, it's not just the high tech machines, it is the high tech minds that set them up to suit each particular factory

T1 Terry

Surely even Musk has the brains to have figured that bit out, maybe he takes the brains of TSMC with him, with offers they can't refuse ?

[T1 Terry]

This is the latest video in a rather complex topic, but this lady explains it so well I can nearly follow it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36W0dMwQJxU

Samsung and Tesla .... Elon Musk really, are betting the farm on making it work ..... If they lose, the technology still belongs to a Taiwanese company TSMC ...... it is the brains of the workforce that is needed, not something you can walk in and take over or even steel the formula to get your system to work, it's not just the high tech machines, it is the high tech minds that set them up to suit each particular factory

T1 Terry

Surely even Musk has the brains to have figured that bit out, maybe he takes the brains of TSMC with him, with offers they can't refuse ?

What, like bringing their family and friends to the US and getting them all permanent citizenship ..... like that's even possible in the US these days ...... his engineers have been jumping ship and going to work for other EV manufacturers in China and other parts of the world, he is on the outer with Trump, so he won't help, the henchmen have already deported a heap of the imported staff from TSMC, only one out of the group remained ..... Do you think Elon will go to Taiwan and try to recruit them after they were thrown out of the US once already ..... and knowing how Elon treats his staff ..... you don't give these people much credit regarding intelligence ......

T1 Terry

[native pepper]

Wouldn't bother about the USA or Musk, they're on the way down the drain. What's more important and ridiculous is our government is selling the essential minerals for weapons and in particular nukes to china, because they don't have them and the chinese are stockpiling EV's here because our stupid government has given them concessions for importing EV's, instead of for them being sold here. So we have tens of thousand of Ev's parked up so BYD can get concessions and tax breaks even though they've not sold them.

To make matters worse our stupid politicians are building up our defence capacity, to counter china whilst selling the chinese all the materials and minerals they don't have and need to build their war machine and more nukes.

Now you can't get any more brain dead and insane than that approach to the future and it's all to do with short term profit growth for corporations and not our countries safety or economic future.

[Noggins]

This is the latest video in a rather complex topic, but this lady explains it so well I can nearly follow it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36W0dMwQJxU

Samsung and Tesla .... Elon Musk really, are betting the farm on making it work ..... If they lose, the technology still belongs to a Taiwanese company TSMC ...... it is the brains of the workforce that is needed, not something you can walk in and take over or even steel the formula to get your system to work, it's not just the high tech machines, it is the high tech minds that set them up to suit each particular factory

T1 Terry

Surely even Musk has the brains to have figured that bit out, maybe he takes the brains of TSMC with him, with offers they can't refuse ?

What, like bringing their family and friends to the US and getting them all permanent citizenship ..... like that's even possible in the US these days ...... his engineers have been jumping ship and going to work for other EV manufacturers in China and other parts of the world, he is on the outer with Trump, so he won't help, the henchmen have already deported a heap of the imported staff from TSMC, only one out of the group remained ..... Do you think Elon will go to Taiwan and try to recruit them after they were thrown out of the US once already ..... and knowing how Elon treats his staff ..... you don't give these people much credit regarding intelligence ......

T1 Terry

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[T1 Terry]

Wouldn't bother about the USA or Musk, they're on the way down the drain. What's more important and ridiculous is our government is selling the essential minerals for weapons and in particular nukes to china, because they don't have them and the chinese are stockpiling EV's here because our stupid government has given them concessions for importing EV's, instead of for them being sold here. So we have tens of thousand of Ev's parked up so BYD can get concessions and tax breaks even though they've not sold them.

To make matters worse our stupid politicians are building up our defence capacity, to counter china whilst selling the chinese all the materials and minerals they don't have and need to build their war machine and more nukes.

Now you can't get any more brain dead and insane than that approach to the future and it's all to do with short term profit growth for corporations and not our countries safety or economic future.

No idea where you get your info from, hard to tell fact from left or right wing bias, but this one is attacking the left wing govt for joining action against anti dumping laws https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5myzk.html .... so it is highly unlikely they are subsidising the imports.
More likely, China needs to clear right hand drive models from Chinese manufacturing yards to make things look better to the locals, so they are heavily subsidising the transport for vehicle that already very low profit margins for the manufacturer.
Flood the market to drown out competition, the Chinese govt sees it as a better policy to keep their people employed rather than paying them to be unemployed, get bored and start political unrest ..... makes sense to me ...... pay the govt owned manufacturers to keep people employed, no money going into overseas executive pockets, maybe the party faithful pockets, but what govt operates without some level of corruption ... in fact, what organisation can say there is zero corruption within their ranks ......
I can say this forum doesn't run on corruption, it's actually anti corruption, we pay to keep it alive but there is no way you could consider this forum to be organised

What makes you think the Chinese source weapons grade materials from Australia? I know about a right wing Govt that was selling sand rich in weapons grade material to a middle east country that was mostly sand .... but never bothered to find out why they were buying it ... it was a change of govt saw that things didn't add up and had the sand tested .... then immediately blocked any further exports from the site ..... a friend bought the site a little while back, very cheap, needed some where to store his cars .... pity it's so far away, I could pay to store mine there as well

T1 Terry

[native pepper]

I actually read the news worldwide Terry, you should try it some time.

"Chinese companies are the largest shareholders in two Australian mines producing minerals vital for Beijing's hypersonic missiles and nuclear programs, helping it overcome "severe challenges" to accessing key resources."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-03/ ... /105951072

"BYD import figures expose the flaws of the government's New Vehicle Efficiency Standard scheme, which awards car makers with credits on the number of vehicles they import rather than sales volume, sparking calls for change."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -flaw.html

[T1 Terry]

the chinese are stockpiling EV's here because our stupid government has given them concessions for importing EV's,

Carbon credits are now concessions is it, what about all those solar panels and solar batteries, those criminals are stockpiling carbon credits as well as those people ripping up farmland to plant trees .... what is the current Aust price for a carbon credit?

It might be worth decent money if carbon polluting industries get caught out simply ignoring their carbon pollution problems and simply try to buy their way out with carbon credits to meet the 2035 deadline ..... but apart from that ..... not much of a concession is it?

As far as govt loans to a company that produces the raw materials that zirconium, the Chinese are shareholders, not owners ..... but this one is a real worry

Last month, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese inked a $13 billion deal with US President Donald Trump to help ensure the United States has sufficient raw materials for its defence and technology sectors.

Now, signing deals with someone as radical as that is borderline with signing to supply Kim Jong Un with weapons grade rare earths ......

We don't have a vehicle manufacturing industry, so a Chinese supplier flooding the Australian market with non fossil fuel burning vehicles at a relatively cheap price harms who exactly?

T1 Terry

[supersparky]

Do ya reckon 2025 plated BYD's will be cheaper in '26 or '27.
Still can't see myself buying one just yet. I'm still happy with our 2013 ICE powered Nissan.

[T1 Terry]

Do ya reckon 2025 plated BYD's will be cheaper in '26 or '27.
Still can't see myself buying one just yet. I'm still happy with our 2013 ICE powered Nissan.

I believe they will be cheaper than the ICE powered alternative. I'll post the rest of this over on the EV thread
T1 Terry