Food shortages

[RobertNotBob]

Went into Coles at Aberfoyle park yesterday afternoon, lots of different brand toilet paper but vinegar was still down as well as flour.

[T1 Terry]

Went into Coles at Aberfoyle park yesterday afternoon, lots of different brand toilet paper but vinegar was still down as well as flour.

This corona virus is getting every one down so I guess vinegar and flour are just joining in with vibe eh

[T1 Terry]

Sure we seem to have just bought oil from the USA to built up our non existent reserves, but it will stay in the USA. If a war breaks out, how the hell will they get that oil here, when the enemy of today is capable of sinking ships from thousand of klms away and we have absolutely no defence against invasion of protecting our borders.

Who will we be going to war against NP? China isn't likely to go to war against us because they would loose all their property they own over here, the govt would simply requisition it because it would be silly to have the enemy owning the very ground they stood on. China needs Australia for food security, the nonsense about Chinese consumers not buying our products because we want a full disclosure of just how and where this virus start is just that, total nonsense.

T1 Terry

[Busman]

China will go to war against us because they have been planning same for many years, and I ain't paranoid like others here. They have been building landing craft for years now, for what, their couple of disputed acres in the south china sea ? Think not.

The only thing holding them back at the moment is having to deal with the US at the same time, they recognise the orange man is a passing thing who may unleash a whole lot of shit on them if they did anything immediate. Any decent observation of how the US is weakening means they just have to wait a bit, their time will come, they are very patient.

Forget them spending a few dollars on land aquisitions, they would like to own the whole plot, all those resources, all that milk, all that baby formula.

Unfortunately there are just way too many of them for us to fight them off. Without the might of US military power we are done. They will simply wait till that help is not available and take this country. Their will be no mercy for first nation people or our bearded imports,

Buying a few ports and airports is simply to lull us into a false sense that it is all good. You don't have to do a lot of reading or thinking to see what is happening.

[BernieQ2]

China will go to war against us because they have been planning same for many years, and I ain't paranoid like others here. They have been building landing craft for years now, for what, their couple of disputed acres in the south china sea ? Think not.

The only thing holding them back at the moment is having to deal with the US at the same time, they recognise the orange man is a passing thing who may unleash a whole lot of shit on them if they did anything immediate. Any decent observation of how the US is weakening means they just have to wait a bit, their time will come, they are very patient.

Forget them spending a few dollars on land aquisitions, they would like to own the whole plot, all those resources, all that milk, all that baby formula.

Unfortunately there are just way too many of them for us to fight them off. Without the might of US military power we are done. They will simply wait till that help is not available and take this country. Their will be no mercy for first nation people or our bearded imports,

Buying a few ports and airports is simply to lull us into a false sense that it is all good. You don't have to do a lot of reading or thinking to see what is happening.

And you say your not paranoid...yer right.
Bernie.

[native pepper]

Sure we seem to have just bought oil from the USA to built up our non existent reserves, but it will stay in the USA. If a war breaks out, how the hell will they get that oil here, when the enemy of today is capable of sinking ships from thousand of klms away and we have absolutely no defence against invasion of protecting our borders.

Who will we be going to war against NP? China isn't likely to go to war against us because they would loose all their property they own over here, the govt would simply requisition it because it would be silly to have the enemy owning the very ground they stood on. China needs Australia for food security, the nonsense about Chinese consumers not buying our products because we want a full disclosure of just how and where this virus start is just that, total nonsense.

T1 Terry

Sorry Terry, China has been buying up Aus and moving as many people here they can in the form of students, no different to what other despotic countries have done in the past. Aus has everything china needs to grow it's power and influence, we provide it with all it's iron ore, have the biggest supplies of lithium and many other rare materials they need. They are building aircraft carriers as fast as they can and you only need those if you intend pushing your power a long way from your shores.

Yes we do supply them with lots of grains and coal, which are essential to their plans and all that stops them moving in here is the USA. Just look at past history, we provided japan with our iron ore and pig iron so they could build their war machine. Even when it looked like japan was building for war, out stupid government kept supplying them and we know what happened next. No different to now.

Anyone who believes a despotic totalitarian suppressive ideological regime has no plans of expansion as they are forcibly expanding, needs to think again and look at the facts. With a collapsing environment and eco system, more viruses and over population, china needs to expand and Aus is the perfect place. Small population, massive land area with huge reserves of natural resources, no real defence force, stupid governments that are only interested in profit growth for their vested interests, including china and almost 1 million of their citizens here at any time in the form of students and tourists. When you add they are trying to take over all universities with their Confucius institutions and massive donations to political parties, to say they have no agenda, is a bit blind to the growing reality facing the world.

[T1 Terry]

China will go to war against us because they have been planning same for many years, and I ain't paranoid like others here. They have been building landing craft for years now, for what, their couple of disputed acres in the south china sea ? Think not.

The only thing holding them back at the moment is having to deal with the US at the same time, they recognise the orange man is a passing thing who may unleash a whole lot of shit on them if they did anything immediate. Any decent observation of how the US is weakening means they just have to wait a bit, their time will come, they are very patient.

Forget them spending a few dollars on land aquisitions, they would like to own the whole plot, all those resources, all that milk, all that baby formula.

Unfortunately there are just way too many of them for us to fight them off. Without the might of US military power we are done. They will simply wait till that help is not available and take this country. Their will be no mercy for first nation people or our bearded imports,

Buying a few ports and airports is simply to lull us into a false sense that it is all good. You don't have to do a lot of reading or thinking to see what is happening.

I doubt they will do it by direct conflict, more likely by subversion till we readily accept they are in control. They still haven't managed to control the nation just off its coast, Taiwan, they are have a great deal of difficulty containing Hong Kong and that was given to them, so trying to forcefully take over a country the size of Australia would break them.
If you have any doubts, check out the size of the Chinese internal army compared to the external fighting force. They are still in a desperate battle to hold their own country in check and block any information from their people that they don't want their people to hear. The best defence would be to subvert that information blockage, they would be so busy trying to stay out of their own citizens hands they could not fight a battle off shore as well. The controlling party is only as strong as the control it has over its own protection forces, loose that control and they would kill them before anyone else had a chance .... this has been seen many times before throughout the world and China is no different and they know it.
Yes, they could mount a huge offensive against their own people, but with seriously aging population that is a very short term strategy doomed to failure

T1 Terry

[Greynomad]

Spot on, T1!
The Chinese don't have to send in the army. They're buying Australia bit by bit.
Example #1: Most of the horse studs in the Upper Hunter Valley are now owned by either Chinese individuals or companies.
Example #2: How many Chinese students do you see getting pi$$ed & laid at Schoolies Week on the Gold Coast? Nup. They're all swotting up for University entry. Most of the GPs at our local clinic are Chinese. Same same at the local hospital.
Example #3: The Fed Gummint's Foreign Investment Review Board could see nothing wrong with selling Australia's biggest producer of baby formula to a Chinese consortium! Now they've cut out the middle man. They no longer have to strip the supermarket shelves and pack it up to send to China. They just consign it directly from the factory!

[T1 Terry]

They learnt a hard lesson with the mine they built themselves in WA. They planned on Chinese labour costs and the rubber stamp approval process in China for a Chinese govt owned enterprise. What the discovered was Australian labour is expensive, approvals just don't happen and you can't execute someone who has displeased you.
They discovered that processing your own ore on your own land wasn't free and you couldn't just dump the toxic part into the river or into a hole because it affected the ground water quality and polluted their potable water and that of everyone close by as well. They discovered you can't just give the neighbours the bird and move on, you actually have to fix the problem or you lost your mining licence as well as having to pay huge fines.
The Japanese and their practices are more of an economic threat to Australia's agricultural stability than the threat from China.

T1 Terry

[Busman]

The Japanese and their practices are more of an economic threat to Australia's agricultural stability than the threat from China.

Please explain ? There ain't that many of them (in comparison)